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what the hell happened to DU, seems to have merged with freerepublic.
Only one breaks the chorus of approval
24. I know
Having people criticize the president on here for accepting republican narratives absolutely makes this message-board the equivalent of an insane bigoted far-right message board.
Its like they say, if you criticize a democrat from the left that means you are a secret republican operative. Permalink
The loyalty train is chugging along however
Not 100% agreement from me, but very good.
William Pitt is not aboard
I have been known on more than one occasion to defend the President even when he didn’t necessarily deserve it. I’ve also kicked him in the ass more than once.
This is an excellent Republican speech. There were a few belly-rubs – new energy policy, and oh we love the children – but he has been kissing GOP ass from beginning to end.
Please tell me I’m just an insane person. Been writing all day, maybe I’m addled.
But Jesus God…what is this crap?
Best Republican speech I’ve ever heard.
Total poop grenade.
answering to a cheerleader saying Obama is doing right
10. He hasn’t lit the podium on fire or thrown up or anything
but I wouldn’t call this “doing great.” Permalink
There were plenty of articles, material for this one in 2008 too, but they ignored it
Some excerpts from the article
Since the November elections, Obama has brought corporate executives into the White House, reached out to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and made compromise his new watchword. He signed a surprise $858 billion tax cut that would have made Reagan weep with joy and huddled with Reagan’s former White House chief of staff Ken Duberstein for lessons learned when the Gipper governed amid economic troubles.Over the Christmas break, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted that Obama was reading a Reagan biography, and just to confirm the bond, Obama recently wrote an homage to Reagan for USA Today. “Reagan recognized the American people’s hunger for accountability and change,” Obama wrote, conferring on Reagan two of his most cherished political slogans.
Of course, the defense team is ready this time as well
7. The full article is pretty interesting. OP’s excerpts are kind of misleading.
It isn’t about how “Obama is just like Reagan”. Nor is it that “Obama Admires Reagan’s Policies” which he doesn’t. It has more to do with using Reagan’s style to counter R meme that “government is the problem” Permalink
and one of the cheerleaders nails it
9. We knew this since the primaries. Did you vote for Obama? n/t Permalink
Another subversive idea
Here’s an interesting view on civl rights, and very likely the DUdie
To which cheerleading O responds
2. Shame on Choi – easier for him to be a perpetual victim, apparently
Grandstanding to try and embarass the administration that has done so much for this cause. Permalink
A truth that shall become obvious to many
Good bye, Social Security. You did a great job for 75 years. Apparently, the President is ready to pull the plug on you, if not on Grandma herself.
Someone even offers a summary
1. In the new Obama/Republican Tax Cut Compromise, a 2-year payroll tax holiday (which funds Social Security) is included which would decrease FICA contributions by on the employee side.
2. 60 members of the Senate are UNWILLING to raise taxes. Considering the recent elections, a majority of the House will not want to raise taxes either. It is also likely we will have a Republican president in 2 years, or Obama will continue to cave to Republican demands, so, same thing.
3. The Payroll tax Holiday will then likely become permanent because pols are unwilling to “increase taxes” (like the Bush Tax Cuts) which will double the Social Security shortfall.
4. We end up with a “starve the beast” scenario. This funding shortfall will cause a crisis in Social Security which will eventually lead to cuts across the board (severe means testing where only the really indigent will receive SS) therefore obliterating widespread support. Permalink
while the loyalists don’t believe it
16. Unrec for unsubstantiated rumors.
More hair on fire rhetoric from FDL. Permalink
and this was a clever sneaky one
Obama is not serious about deficit reduction because he just added one trillion to the deficit by renewing the bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
As dissapointed as I am, I am more pissed at the Democrats in Congress.
Of course – anyone but the one.
One still thinks R have nothing on Obama
11. But they suck at 11-D chess
The chess master will beat them in the end. He has a secret recipe for winning: Preemptive surrender at every step. Permalink
and then sees the sequel
9. Coming soon: “Obama: We must cut Social Security to reduce the deficit”
“and I invite my Republican superiors to join me in this effort” Permalink
The usual propaganda follows and ends with
GO AHEAD PRESIDENT OBAMA, I got your back!Permalink
6. that was sheer unadulterated awesomeness … although..
…. I wouldn’t call it “the left.” The puritanical, 99% is simply not good enough for me lot aren’t the whole left. There a tiny but loud few. Permalink
Others felt different
1. SEEMED—SEEMED ??? HE WAS POSITIVELY INSOLENT Permalink
Some enjoyed it
60. The bashing of the purists was a thing of beauty. Permalink
Someone wants to change the title
I think the missing word in your post was “again”.
He is really impressed with himself and very frustrated in people who don’t see just how brilliant he is. Permalink
And some made me sad – much as I shouldn’t feel sorry for them
7. That’s cuz we’re f#cking retarded. Remember.
I’m being sarcastic, I’m actually heartbroken. I have a sterling silver Obama logo necklace that I wore proudly until a few months ago. I’m so sad about how I feel. Permalink
some good (if too late)observations
14. In my eyes, the president has two tones: condescending and angry.
Rarely have I seen any alternative attitudes come through, except maybe timid. So his condescension today was no surprise. He is as snide as it gets. Permalink
pounding has little effect anymore!
Reminding how Clinton handled identical situation ( as I hear “Obama is as bad as Clinton”)
This is exactly what happened when Gingrich and company tried to blackmail Clinton into all sorts of crazy shit, saying they’d shut down government if he didn’t give in. Clinton knew most Americans agreed with him, and he strode onto the TV and said “Those fuckers are trying to force me to do stuff that most Americans don’t want, and so they’re shutting down the government. I don’t want to shut down the government, but I’m not going to put up with blackmail.”
The Republicans were in flames in days, and Gingrich eventually got the boot. From Wikipedia:The Republicans blamed Clinton for the shutdown, and Clinton blamed the Republicans. Public opinion favored the president; Clinton’s approval rating rose to the highest it had been since his election. The Republicans’ support was further diminished two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it “the mistake of his life”.
DeLay writes in his book No Retreat, No Surrender:
“He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One… Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same.”
Gingrich’s complaint resulted in the perception that he was acting in a petty, egotistical manner, and Clinton defended the seating arrangement as a courtesy to Gingrich, the back of the plane being closer to his pickup car.<1> Later, the polls suggested that the event badly damaged Gingrich politically.
The shutdown also influenced the 1996 presidential election. Bob Dole, the Senate Majority Leader, was running for president in 1996. Because of his need to campaign, Dole wanted to solve the budget crisis in January 1996 despite the willingness of other Republicans to continue the shutdown unless their demands were met. It also has been cited as a role in Clinton’s successful re-election in 1996.
and some helpful advice
and someone notices the change in the place
or rather the fact that O’s are now officially marginalized – which is kinda late
…well according to our President (for now), we should just shut up and take it. Because we progressives and liberals with our high-minded ideals are just too stupid to understand Obama’s “long game” strategy, we just need to trust our leader. We just need to fall into lockstep with the Democratic caucus. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?
I’m a member of this group because I choose NOT to fall into lockstep.
I’m a member of the underground because I choose to fight for my ideals and common sense.
I will not apologize to this President, who has betrayed his party. I will not be anyone’s lap dog.
But it calls into discussion what they’ve done
1. The “U” in “DU” had been forgotten for a couple years..
now, with so many blinders being ripped off in all directions, all at once, it seems that “second letter” is reasserting itself… Permalink
and a funny comment
75. Oh please!
Obama couldn’t find The Left with a compass and G.P.S.! Permalink
More sophistry from the authoritarian loyalists
when they disagree with him – and chafe at being told that they should be keep their criticisms to themselves – are now absolutely FURIOUS that the President had the temerity to criticize THEM.
Sorry, but we can’t have it both ways.
Took a while – they were high-fiving each other for the perfect argument, but finally someone nailed it
54. Who works for whom, here? It’s not the electorate’s job to please the President. Permalink
Turning on their pundits
with clever arguments like these (and this is a DUdie candidate)
12. So Obama as President can overrule what Congress and Senate do? Permalink
which mercifully get responded
44. Yeah, it’s called a veto. Permalink
and the rude awakening keeps on going
and abused and there is nothing left.
One after the other, they wake up
2. I’m just mad at myself for not seeing this coming.
I was 100% snowed. 2 years ago, I never thought we’d be here. Never. 6 months ago I woke the fuck up and stopped making excuses and rationalizations. It’s gone downhill from there.
But at least my eyes are wide open now. Some are still in dreamland. It’s a blue pill red pill situation Permalink
I am mad at you too for not seeing this coming. And for attacking me and the rest who told you it was coming.
3. He’s not stupid – rather he is complicit. nt Permalink
and then there’s Solomon
8. i think that you can argue both sides…that he’s being taken advantage of, and that he’s
the one taking advantage…and neither reflect nicely b/c in the first case he’s a not-so swift pol. in the second case, he’s not on our side and therefore less than trustworthy. neither of these scenarios are flattering. Permalink
and some put disappointment in verse
When we elected Obama, we thought
We elected a Thurgood Marshall,
a lion of the law,
one of the great legal minds.
We thought we elected a Martin Luther King
a guardian of rights
a courageous, peaceful warrior.
What we got was a Clarence Thomas,
Parroting the RIGHT opinions,
Deferential to conservative bluster.
So we now find ourselves ill served
Hoping that his promise of change
Means that he will change his ways.
And the DUdie
goes to another clueless effort to distract
This concludes today’s edition. See you on Tuesday!
Of course the actual news in this AP piece is Dean declaring he won’t challenge Obama in the primary.
While he has frequently criticized the president, Dean announced through a spokeswoman earlier this month that he would not mount a primary challenge against Obama in 2012.
On the title subject he is quoted as saying
“clearly upset members of his base” on issues including tax cuts and allowing gays to serve openly in the military. Obama stands to lose both the presidency and his party’s credibility if he doesn’t reverse course before 2012, Dean said.
“You take care of the people who sent you to the office,” he said in an interview. “There are hundreds of thousands of people under 30 who slept on floors for two years to make sure Barack got elected. You can’t turn your back on those people because if you do, it’s going to be hard to find any friends.”
Funny that he doesn’t even mention Social Security or the pay freeze.
Dean (who was Obama 1.0) has still retained the glow of sainthood among his naive followers, because, unlike Obama he didn’t have time for betrayal.
Of course, people who paid attention, heard him declare “of course I’ll move to the center in the general elections”. Not even in office. In the general elections – and he was declaring this in the primaries, drunk with the feeling that he was selected by the establishment.
As to his advice to Obama, it surely looks good on paper, if not for the fact that it comes a bit late.
To use W’s immortal words: Fool me once, I’ll never get fooled again.
And neither will many of the Os who slept on the floors (and accused me of racism)
The 2012 primaries will be Obama’s last days in the public spotlight. After that he’ll have a nice guaranteed corporate job waiting for him –after all he’s done for the right wingers he will definitely never want for money the rest of his life. Too bad the rest of us Americans can’t say that. Permalink
7. You are right
That window is closed. Time to move on. Just when I think…. “Maybe tommorrow (sic) I will wake up and Obama will be a completely different leader”, he does something else that shows that he just doesn’t get it.
Technically that is not true, really. Two years ago he gave an interview to Rolling Stone where he pretty much predicted exactly what happened. The right will say no to everything and say “Look, he accomplished nothing”!”. So I guess we can not even say that it took him by surprise.
So sad. Immeasurable opportunity costs here. Permalink
and somewhere in the CDS blossoming on the thread for some reason someone says
29. Bill ran as a liberal? That’s news to me and I worked on his campaign.
He ran as a Democrat. Big and little D/d. Back then it meant something. It suggested a set of core values re: policy and positions.
Obama ran as a “personality”. Not a liberal, not a progressive, not even as a Democrat. Just him. That is what we got. Permalink
So, on the bright side, they finally figured Obama up. There was no multi-dimensional chess after all. On the other hand, they are still dumb as dirt and up for grabs to the next charlatan the establishment will waive in front of them. After Jeb is done. One loyalist predicts it
31. Oh, what you think is the “base” will come flying back
It’s just a question of when they realize it. Nader voters similarly said they were not going to vote for Democrats, until they had a nice little meeting of the minds with reality. 4 years later, they flocked to the polls to vote for pro-war Kerry.
The actual base (as distinguished from what you think is “the base”) is solidly behind him. (86% approval among liberal Democrats.) Permalink
It was Digby’s headline as posted by Memeorandum that woke me up this morning with a start
With friends like these — When the only people who defend you are the Villagers, you know you’re on the wong track —
Mind you, it’s not digby’s headline, it’s Memeorandum’s extract of the salient idea in an otherwise pretty good piece about the Federal workers freeze as sold by the pundits.
What woke me up was the large “villagers” headline sending me to a Digby piece.
I used to be a regular reader in the Bartcop Forum days, the blog during Bush years. Until 2008 that is.
It is ironic that the Villagers named in the piece are from MSNBC and CNN.
Because starting with 2008, Digby’s blog – and all the others that feared being called “racist” practically merged with MSNBC and CNN and they all became an arm of the Obama campaign.
From sexist attacks on Palin to feeble defense of the Heritage Foundation bill, they’ve been all a happy village.
So Digby cannot shower disdain on the villagers as she is one of them now. Best keep your dirty laundry in the family.
Success has a hundred midwives and failure is an orphan.
I do understand why Digby would now want to dump the orphan and distance herself from her former allies. But credibility is something that once you lost, you don’t get just because you admit you lied before.
As for Obama, I have news for Digby: It was always just the Villagers selling them.
The Os – they were just the wholesale buyers.
You – village. They-idiots.