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Since reading Miq post, I had edited the Wikipedia article, (criticism section) adding some disclosure about James Roosevelt

In the interest of disclosure, it must be said that James Roosevelt was also the CEO of Tuft Healthcare Institute and a few months after giving Obama delegates in a state he didn’t run was drafting the insurers demands for the healthcare bill which all ended up in the law | url =

We’ll see if it stays.

As for the blog wars nonsense, while I am flatered that I am featured by both the original handle (Edgeoforever) and the present one (Not Your Sweetie), I must also remark that I didn’t split from anywhere. I have always been an independent blogger – and in the summer of 2008 I was part of the PUMA movement. I still read the Confluence. Myiq and Murphy’s entries regularly.

Here is Myiq’s article

I'm famous!!! No, seriously. I was looking for something else and I stumbled across this at Wikipedia: Blog wars In the aftermath of Barack Obama’s election, the PUMA’s online presence has fractured into numerous warring groups. The once-united bloggers at The Confluence split in 2009 over a variety of differences, most of which had nothing to do with the actual 2008 presidential election. One of The Confluence’s most tenacious bloggers, the highly divisive My … Read More

via The Crawdad Hole

I eventually figured out the source of all the rancor against Palin on the right.

It’s not some quaint notion of “elitism” vs “populism” as David Brooks would have tried to make us believe when calling Palin a fatal cancer on the GOP – because if intellectualism was important to Rs, Brooks, what about this?

So, if anyone had any doubt of the real reasons, enter Babs.

Here’s the delicious account from the right

Barbara Bush Should Shut-Up

Apparently the woman who called Hillary a “bitch” (before the entire media got to it), is now bothering her beautiful mind with Palin

“I sat next to her once. Thought she was beautiful,” Barbara Bush said. “And she’s very happy in Alaska, and I hope she’ll stay there.”

That’s way mild by Babs’ standards, but the Rs who had enough of the Bushes are incensed.

This rant is so good it almost gets it right:

Crap like this from Barbara Bush leaves one no alternative but to respond to it. What, does she have another son, or a grand kid lined up for the job of President? Reagan handed your husband his, despite some misgivings, and he blew it, Barbara. And as much as I supported her husband and her son while they were in office, they’ve hardly gotten us to a great place. Guess what? If not for 9/11, GW may well have been a one-term-er, just like his father. He barely escaped losing to John freaking Kerry. In fact, he barely defeated Gore in 2000.

Close,but no cigar.

W barely escaped nothing: the truth is he didn’t win any election. Not in 2000 and not in 2004 either. Glad to see a R going at least near that.

Who knows? In 100 years or so, some Ds will wonder out loud why Obama got delegates instates he didn’t run or why California was skipped in the alphabetical roll call at the convention.

Yeah, this is schadenfreude.

And in 2012, if I want to cast a protest vote against Obama, I might possibly conceive a vote for Palin. Theoretically.

But never in a million years will I pull the lever for anyone called Bush.

Chris Hedges declares in a live chat on Global warming on Truthdig

We have to stop believing that we can effect change through established political or social organizations or electoral politics, and I think that still remains a huge hurdle for us people who in the end, through accommodation of fear and very clever advertising, are herded like sheep into a dysfunctional system, which is how so many people who should have known better voted for Obama.

Hey Chris, you forgot election fraud and the fact that a majority of the Democrats were not herded like sheep. But that would spoil your pretty narrative.

This is the part I agree with

Well, the coup d’etat is over, and they won. We lost. And now we have to learn to cope with it. It is very clear that the engines of corporatism and globalization are going to kill the ecosystem, no matter how many dead zones are created in the Gulf of Mexico or protests organized.

and this vindicates me a little

Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow are as bad as the right wing; they are all playing the same wing, nobody is addressing the institutional methods that are strangling us. I don’t care if it’s from the left or right, it all acts as diversion to keep us in a state of self-delusion.

Again, some of us knew better, but why mention 18 million people?

In B0botland this is posted

Well, the coup d’etat is over, and they won. (Chris Hedges)

with a disclaimer

disclaimer: I am a liberal. I read everything. I digest and use what I want as fuel to fight another day. I am not anti-Obama, anti-America, or anti-kittens. I just like to be fed, kpete

and highly recommended. Some of the comments

Which is why I wrote Gore’s name in.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts)
18. maybe Hillary would have
or Nader, of course.

but dismissed by Hedges’s wisdom

different cuts of the same cloth, ultimately …

… so sad that even as clear as Hedges makes it in this article, some folks – like you – still refuse to see that it is us against them – and the ‘them team’ includes BOTH parties.

A few apologies are shouted down

Don’t you get it?
Anything that could possibly be misconstrued as “anti-Obama” or “anti-Democrat” in even the most trivial way must be shouted down as quickly and stridently as possible.

You have to applaud the consistency, at least. :shrug:

obxhead (1000+ posts)
35. Yes, the damage is done, might as well ignore it and in fact even
compound it in the name of supporting our Pres.

Reality is harder and harder to keep away these days. Not that they don’t try

Untrue and stupid.

Change has happened. It’s still happening.

I continue to be optimistic.


Right after the revelations about the media conspiracy to install Obama using Jurnolist, Sullivan is patting himself on the back for not being on that list

One reason I would never be on such a list, of course, is my record of non-liberalism: my loathing of the Clintons, my anti-p.c. instincts, my disdain for taboos on race and gender and sexuality on the left, my early support for what I stupidly thought would be moderate conservatism under Bush and even dumber tub-thumping for war in Iraq after the trauma of 9/11.

Let’s see if I get this: I was never part of a group whose reason to exist was to attack Hillary Clinton on daily basis because….I hate the Clintons too much.

And it gets better

I was also shocked by George Stephanopoulos’ FNC-style questioning in the primary debate, and said so in no uncertain terms. But those errors and good judgments were mine and mine alone.

This disclaimer comes after the article on Jurnoist reveals that

Watching this all at home were members of Journolist, a listserv comprised of several hundred liberal journalists, as well as like-minded professors and activists. The tough questioning from the ABC anchors left many of them outraged. “George [Stephanopoulos],” fumed Richard Kim of the Nation, is “being a disgusting little rat snake.”

and actively worked to attack ABC and its ancors for daring to ask Obama questions.

So, what are Sully’s errors again? (besides his love of W):

Thathe hated the Clintons BEFORE some of the Jurnoists people (Conason, Tomasky, feel humbled) and he hated ABC’s anchors for not giving Obama his fluffy pillows even more.

If that is a crime, flay me with a wet noodle. Please!

In all fairness, he also has a good last sentence

But socialized groupthink is not the answer to what’s wrong with the media. It’s what’s already wrong with the media.

Too bad that everything he wrote before was explaining why he was even more group thinky than most. His whole argument amounts to

I was Jurnoist before there was a jurnoist

And he is right

I had quite a few apologies posted here since Jr.jr showed his true colors to all.

I wanted to mark this  because (almost) all the right words were said

and dedicating a whole blog to it is cool.

Here is the apology

By way of an apology, I dedicate this site to all those whose opinions and experience I wasn’t willing to consider during the 2008 Democratic Primary season; to all of the Democrats who opposed an Obama nomination I apologize. To all of those Democrats whom I considered too old, too dumb, too unenlightened, too female, too poor, too uneducated, too conservative… I most humbly apologize. I have been put in my place. You were right. You were right and I’m on your side now. Oh, and thank you!

You may want to go there and respond.

P.S – I used ol’ PUMAS in the title for brevity sake, and snark . Ol’PUMA was also meant in historical context – PUMAs standing up to  the thieves of the primary and the corporate Obama.

Present days PUMAs have became too ambiguous a tent for me to be under it.

I guess what our new friend needs to acknowledge next is the electoral fraud they chose to ignore/be too comfortable with. Then maybe some meaningful resistance, activism can be renewed.

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