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I just read the transcript of the press conference after reading such discussions on DU as
After reading it all, it was this very short exchange that illuminated it all
With respect to the bottom line in terms of what my core principles are –
Q Where is your line in the sand?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, I’ve got a whole bunch of lines in the sand.
I guess he doesn’t even get the concept of core, or line in the sand.
FYI, for people who have principles, THERE’S ONLY ONE OF THEM.
Not a bunch. Making taxes for the rich temporary is the same “line in the sand W had. And this was the last chance to get rid of them.
Obama has no core. No line. Just a bunch of caves.
I’ve been in depression for a while now.
Poll result (51 votes) Denial (0 votes, 0%) Vote Anger (29 votes, 57%) Vote Bargaining (1 votes, 2%) Vote Depression (9 votes, 18%) Vote Acceptance (12 votes, 24%) Vote
Me I had started this back in 2008, but I can’t move past anger since 2000.
here come more excuses
One comment takes care of it all
1. It is always the right time for justice.
Plus, we were told that the Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time. It wasn’t and isn’t an either/or proposition Permalink
Improved tirl for Krugman’s piece
while loyalists want to banish opinions
It didn’t take long
n my opinion, it is not. But others may think so?
I think people are very discouraged and disappointed with his positions on some issues.
They disagree with his ideas, not the color of his skin, in my opinion.
Others may disagree.
It got locked and not for atrocious grammar.
The last gasp
YES WE CAN!
Here’s a good answer
21. Yes We Can WHAT? Maybe he already did…
Yes We Can is an empty slogan.
Perhaps for months now he has a slogan that he only shares with his staff: YES I DID! Permalink
and another poll
Poll result (156 votes) Too critical. (87 votes, 56%) Vote Not critical enough. (42 votes, 27%) Vote Just right. (27 votes, 17%) Vote
That poor, poor man!
Hope springs eternal – this time from Huffpo
he official did not have specifics as to what period of time the president would find acceptable for an extension of unemployment benefits. Nor is it clear if the president would be fine with those benefits being offset while tax cut extension remains unpaid for. Among the “other tax cuts” that the president is demanding is the Make-Work-Pay tax credit and “a bunch of others expire at the end of the year.”
The remarks are, nevertheless, one of the clearest signs that the president is not only done ceding any more policy turf to the GOP with respect to tax cut negotiations but willing to let rates expire if Republican don’t temper their demands.
Kinda ridiculous reason to celebrate and the O’s ain’t buying none.
1. LMAO!! yeah right…. at this point I’d lay money on Obama always ceding to the Repukes.. Permalink
and others are on to the deceit
12. That’s a shitty deal
Moreover, why trade tax cuts for anything? You’re the President. Let the present cuts expire and force Congress to either come back with a middle class-only package or make the Republicans take the heat for causing everyone’s taxes to go up. Permalink
For your entertainment
and yes, the obvious comments are there
1. The same John Kerry who fought for the recount in Ohio?
On November 14th, 1995, President Bill Clinton gave the following speech on the occasion of the federal government shutdown due to an impasse with crazy Republicans.
Please read it. This is what presidents do.
(Note to the appeasement crowd – we won that one, big time. The thing ended with Gingrich and the Republicans in flames.) Speech follows
“But it is my solemn responsibility to stand against a budget plan that is bad for America and to stand up for a balanced budget that is good for America. And that is exactly what I intend to do.”
Obama operative retorts
5. So what you really want is Obama to sound tough and pound his fist
even if what he’s “taking a stand” for is more conservative than what he’s currently doing. It doesn’t surprise me that you have a Dean avatar. He was more centrist than Obama but he sounded tough in his centrism. You don’t want progressive policy as much as you want to be entertained with macho speeches. I get it. Permalink
Another sure sign the Jr.jr reality is being perceived
My question is: what did the author and his audience in the past two years? How are they different from the guy on the phone they lampoon?
Good job in a tough situation, Mr. President!
Lots of agreement including this
22. I’m convinced that there’s only one sane person in Washington DC…
… and he has REALLY big ears (and a new hair cut it seems!) Permalink
All together: Awwwww!
Some however get it
38. Republicans are Grown-Ups? Permalink
One reaction to the latest compromise
From where I sit, the time to fight is WHEN people’s lives are at stake.
I just watched a Democratic President carry out Herbert Hoover’s policies and sound just like Neville Chamberlain.
FDR is spinning in his grave.
FDR pretty much left a blueprint to deal with pretty much the exact situation Obama inherited and it’s as if Obama put that blueprint in his dog’s crate( what’s the dog’s name? you get my drift) and the dog sh*t all over it – exactly as Obama intended.
I am disgusted…I have no more words….just disgusted.
3. He uses that for everything.
It’s why we can’t leave our endless wars.
It’s why we couldn’t get real health care reform and had to settle.
It’s why we have to settle now.
It’s NEVER a time to fight, it seems. Permalink
At first they are hopeful
2. He’s railiing against the Republicans extension of tax cuts for millionaries.
Gives me hope!
Then slowly realize
7. Oh shit. Just said basically “As much as I’d like to fight…it would be the wrong thing to do”.
So he’s saying he doesn’t want to have a showdown with the Repugs. Permalink
and it’s all downhill from there…
The most succint reaction
That is all.
Many agreements. One writes
50. lols. My Obama/Biden yard sign is going in the fireplace tonight. Permalink
I said that if he announces he won’t run, it will give us time to find a real Democrat who actually has the courage and the will to fight for the party and the people of this country.
1. He has no chance anyway. He was never fit for that job in the first place.
Damn! If we only had waited 2 years to say that, we’d be heroes today!
Another way to enjoy the disaster
From the GOP…….
I follow a WHOLE bunch of GOP members of Congress on Twitter and they (with the exception of Bachmann) haven’t said a thing. It’s EERY.
Are they ….
1. stunned, not knowing what to do next?
2. having a party in Cheney’s bunker and their cell phones are out of range?
3. too busy watching us all fight, popcorn butter on their hands, unable to type?
4. In the woods praying to their Reagan zombie alter?
And the REAL question. If Obama’s “caving” afforded us just ONE night of silence from the GOP, was it worth it? I think so!
with a comment
3. ONE night of GOP silence was worth caving on a fundamental principle of the Democratic Platform?
Really? Wow. No wonder they can play us. We sell cheap. Permalink
On edit – I couldn’t let this for Friday
I think we chose and we chose damn wrong. The Obama administration is a gigantic shit show. With nearly every f*cking decision, he is closing the door on a 2012 Democratic win for the White House. The mother-f*cking Republicans are bending us over again and again, and no one in power seems to have any fight. What the hell??????
I really think that the 2 things that meant the most to me in the 08 election cycle (DADT and what is happening now) might have been handled MUCH better with Hillary. She has fight in her. He does not.
Talk about buyers remorse.
CDS follows. But the occasional truth
91. She’s not more conservative than Obama.
Remember the FISA vote? Hillary was on the correct side, Obama was not. How about the Move-On vote? Hillary took a lot of flack for it. Giuliani even bought a full page ad in the NYT to rile against her. Obama didn’t bother to vote. Permalink
The most telling is the O operaltive/fan response
Sadly, I have to agree, while once again noting the cosmic size arrogance
And the DUdie
has to go to Skinner’s clueless propaganda thread in the midst of all this despair and depression
A friend of mine at the DNC got me tickets to the White House Christmas Tour. Unfortunately, all I had was my iPhone, so they aren’t very good pictures. But hopefully this will help get you into the holiday season…
Not everyone is swooning
. This kind of excess doesn’t give me warm and fuzzy feelings.
All I’m thinking about is how many families are going hungry and without heat this Christmas while millionaire on the Hill consider grabbing another 700 billion for themselves. Permalink
This concludes today’s edition of the DUdies. See you on Friday!
In what’s become a probable first step for the party switch, Obama gave cause in his speech for this tweet
Yeah, technically, I retweeted it last night, but it caught up with me now.
Obama directly rebutted fellow Dems and liberal commentators who want him to let the tax cuts expire and allow the fight to spill over into next year. It was particularly noteworthy that in so doing, he again positioned himself as the defender of the middle class against “Washington,” even though Dems and the left support a permanent tax cut for the middle class.”There are some people in my own party, and in the other party, who would rather prolong this battle,” Obama said. “I’m not willing to let working families across this country become collateral damage for political warfare here in Washington.”
Those fiends! Trying to undo W’s legacy at the expense of the very vulnerable rich people! Thank god, Obama and his Rs are there to defend us!
For entertainment purposes, here’s another retweet from yesterday
Note to self: If I'm ever kidnapped by ruthless thugs and held for ransom, make sure the hostage negotiator's name isn't Barack Obama.—
Brett (@thecajunboy) December 06, 2010
Yup. You’d want someone not associated with the ruthless thugs.
I didn’t exactly expect the media to be critical of Obama’s latest kick in the Ds teeth – but this is a champagne celebration!
The New York Post even borrowed Daily News pet name for Obama and has a “pander bear” next to the news
The Wall Street Journal rolls out the graphs Read the rest of this entry »
This was the headline that woke me up with a start
At first, I thought they compared them at the same point in the presidency, but no. This is today. After all the “Bush tax cuts” in the news, the unprecedented, historical Jr.jr finally accomplished his mission of restoring the Bush name. Now the donors can finally start Jeb’s campaign!
W scored a 47 to Obama’s relatively high 46. Politico is gleeful and makes pronouncements such as
Bush’s 47 percent approval rating also raises serious questions about the wisdom of the White House’s decision to relentlessly attack him in the months before the Democrats’ historic losses in the midterm elections. The president had kept warning a House Republican majority would return to Bush-era policies. But Obama’s message did little to galvanize the liberal base, and independents flocked to the GOP on Election Day.
Indeed, if Obama had made one mistake these 2 years, was not to praise W enough. The Newspeak is already in place
So, it took Obama 2 years to go from Messiah, to historical and unprecedented, to “at least he’s not McPalin” to “not quite W” to “remember the good old W days?”. His handlers ought to be proud of him!
In other former presidents news
John F. Kennedy remains the most popular modern president, with 85 percent of those surveyed saying they approved of his job performance. Ronald Reagan’s job approval was 74 percent. And Bill Clinton’s was 69 percent, up from 61 percent in 2006.