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Is there a DU type site for progressive liberals?
and someone posts
4. Xultar, you are very right about people having been run off for not supporting Obama
But some of them were true progressives who saw the writing on the wall long before the rest of us did and tried to warn us. People on this board, especially mysterious handles which have disappeared, called them racists for not supporting Obama
After which lots claim to also have been prescient (but stayed?)…
Women under the bus – Roe is finished
a) STATE OPT-OUT OF ABORTION COVERAGE.– ”(1) IN GENERAL.–A State may elect to prohibit abortion coverage in qualified health plans offered through an Exchange in such State if such State enacts a law to provide for such prohibition.
In other words, states may override women’s right to chose. Bye Roe!
I was worried when I read about Boxer meeting with Nelson. Thanks Obama!
At this point, on the TPM news, only one comment notes what happened
. The rest are woo-hoo-ing
“I’m more interested in getting it right than getting home as quickly as everyone would like to,” he said.
So, for now, I’ll have to hope that the other hurdles will be front and center,
or a bunch of Senators would be stepping on all of us in their rush to the exit
For nostalgia sake: “the vote that saved the Democratic party”
On Tuesday afternoon, Senate Democrats decided not to sell out women, even if doing so would make passing health-care reform easier. By defeating the Nelson amendment, they finally demonstrated some respect for the feminists who are a crucial part of the Democratic Party. The fact is, the old, purely class-based New Deal coalition isn’t feasible in the 21st century. Women’s rights can no longer be blithely traded away at the bargaining table.
Good times, good times…
From TNR the happy news:
Nelson is in. Pro-choice Dems are cool with it. The caucus is jubilant.
and then the explanation
The abortion compromise seems to allow states the power to prohibit abortion coverage within the new insurance exchanges. In other words, it sounds like giving each state the right to enact its own version of the Stupak amendment that the House bill would apply nationally.
And, from the B0bots, Roe died with cheers!
CSPAN just reported lots of cheers coming from the room where the Democrats are meeting
Details at 10:45 EST.
“And we said we would stop Stupak — which we did.
NYT uses the verb “clinch” (as in “clinching the primaries) which we know is always bad news
Mr. Reid’s amendment includes major restrictions on abortion that were intended to win support for the bill from Mr. Nelson. Under Mr. Reid’s proposal, health insurance plans are not required or forbidden to cover abortion services, but there is a major exemption that would give states power to prohibit abortion coverage in the insurance markets, or exchanges, where most health plans would be sold.
oh, and special dough for Nebraska too.
Only principled woman? GOP Olympia Snowe
Senator Olympia J. Snowe, a Maine Republican who had been considered a possible Democratic ally, said she would oppose the measure, saying it was being rushed through.
Another entertaining upcome: GOP is unhappy with Nelson caving in. According to Tapper entry on facebook they say
..He had a chance to be a hero for taxpayers and the unborn and instead it turns out he’s nothing but a huckster whose vote was for sale”
Update 2 – the promise that it won’t be undone
As I read of dreams of signature statements and reconciliation to undo Nelson’s turd, Ezra Klein makes it clear
Nelson also secured a promise that his compromises would not be undone. He has been guaranteed “a limited conference between the Senate and the House.” That is to say, the bill will not change much when the House gets a crack at it.
When I got the news, I e-mailed NOW. Terry O’Neal didn’t disappoint
“The so-called health care reform bill now before the Senate, with the addition of Majority Leader Harry Reid’s Manager’s Amendment, amounts to a health insurance bill for half the population and a sweeping anti-abortion law for the rest of us,” NOW President Terry O’Neill said in a statement.
“We call on all senators who consider themselves friends of women’s rights to reject the Manager’s Amendment, and if it remains, to defeat this cruelly over-compromised legislation,” O’Neill added.”
Remarkably, the NY post took time out from Tiger coverage to cover the Copenhagen fiasco
Make sure to get their caption of the photo:
“Chinese premier Wen Jibao endures President Obama’s last ditch pitch in Copenhagen as the Climate-change conference fizzled out”
Kinda reminds me of that SNL skit
They called it “Hopenhagen” – was it for Mr Hope and change?
What follows is a collection of accounts about what went on after “Te bestest speech on climate”
When the President, in an unyielding speech, said that without international verification “any agreement would be empty words on a page”, that was too much for Mr Wen. He left the conference in Copenhagen’s Bella Centre, returned to his hotel in the city, and responded with a direct snub of his own – he sent low-level delegates to take his place in the talks. A high-level source told The Independent that the US President was amazed when he found who he was negotiating with, and clearly regarded Mr Wen’s absence as a major diplomatic insult. He snapped: “It would be nice to negotiate with somebody who can make political decisions”
So, bestest speech sends China out of the talks.
An earlier – before redacting Politico article as preserved in a commentary at the Confluence gives us what went on
At about 730 pm Denmark time – the president was supposed to have left an hour before — he learned that Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, with whom he was supposed to meet, was meeting with the leaders of India, South Africa, and Brazil – the main players holding up any sort of political agreement.
The president heard about this and said he wanted to go to the meeting.
“Four against one,” an official said to the president.
“No problem,” he replied.
A senior administration official says the president “barged into the meeting,” where he joined China’s Wen, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Brazil’s President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and South Africa’s President Jacob Zuma.
The reporters’ pool note from that time said that President Obama walked into the room and called out from the door, “Mr. Premier, are you ready to see me? Are you ready?”
They talked for roughly 45 minutes and emerged with a non-binding political accord”
I, got into the multilateral room we’ve now figured out why we can’t get into that room: because that room has Wen, Lula, Singh and Zuma. They’re all having a meeting. … The President walks in … [T]here aren’t any seats, right, I mean, I think if you’ve seen some of the pictures, there were basically no chairs. And the President says, ‘No, no, don’t worry, I’m going to go sit by my friend Lula,’ and says, ‘Hey, Lula.’ Walks over, moves a chair, sits down next to Lula. The Secretary of State sits down next to him. … I want to make clear, we did not break into what we thought was a secret meeting, okay? … We were walking to meet our 7:00 p.m. appointment.”
Sergio Serra, Brazil’s senior climate negotiator here, confirmed that Mr. Obama had joined a meeting of Brazilian, Indian, Chinese and other officials, although he did not say that Mr. Obama walked in uninvited.
NYT also gives the illusion that something meaningful came out of this.
Todays’s Politico account has the comment of the chief negotiator for the developing nations
“Squarely the blame is on President Obama. When you look very carefully and dig into what happened, you find that there is no difference whatsoever between President Obama and President Bush, except one of them tells it as it is,”
Umm- I don’t think he meant Obama.
Comparisons with Bush abound in every source I check
Having spurned Europe and the poor countries of the world, he will reap domestic political benefit. George Bush couldn’t have done this—the reaction would have been too great. Obama has taken the mandate that progressives worked their hearts out to give him, and used it to gut the ideas that progressives have held most dear. The ice caps won’t be the only things we lose with this deal.
The Independent also talks about Chavez’s performance
Hugo Chavez, fired off a string of insults at Mr Obama from the podium, saying he had been awarded “the Nobel Prize for war” and referring to his “Yankee Empire”.
But ice caps aside, the “unprecedented” event in Hopenhagen – “bestest speech on climate” got panned! In a headline!
Barack Obama’s speech disappoints and fuels frustration at Copenhagen
Totus must be hiding his screen in shame
Chavez of course had his own special review
Many reactions were strongly critical of Obama. Hugo Chávez, the president of Venezuela, described Obama’s speech as “ridiculous” and the US’s initial offer of a $10bn fund for poor countries in the draft text as “a joke”
but previously B0bot Guardian didn’t disagree much
The lacklustre speech proved a huge frustration to a summit that had been looking to Obama to use his stature on the world stage – and his special following among African leaders – to try to come to an ambitious deal.
Give em hell Barack!! Herding tigers comes to mind..
This agreement probably wont help much but its a start..
Indeed, hell he gave them!
Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure
another quote from the G77 negotiator:
Lumumba Di-Aping, chief negotiator for the G77 group of 130 developing countries, said the deal had “the lowest level of ambition you can imagine. It’s nothing short of climate change scepticism in action. It locks countries into a cycle of poverty for ever. Obama has eliminated any difference between him and Bush.”